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The National Interest, and what you, properly, hotels?

The National Interest, and what you, properly, hotels?

Sebastien Roblin from our beloved The National Interest in fact jumped higher than his head in his article This Is How 19 Russia Aircraft Were Shot Down In Syria In 4 Years.

No, really good article, for Americans - generally a masterpiece.

Statistics gathered honestly Roble, conclusions made from the heart. but, as in any such material, is the devil, which sits in the nuances mezhstrokovyh.

According to the author, the loss of Russian naval aviation and videoconferencing, in some cases, indicate a lack of experience of participating in expeditionary operations, as well as the equipment reliability problems.

With the first is difficult to disagree. Really, Russia does not claim to be the world's policeman, respectively, constantly wage war and do not have anyone, and it makes no sense.

Yes, our losses can be interpreted in different ways. One side, for 4 years lost 19 airplanes and helicopters, on the other hand ... We'll look the other.

so, one side, five strokes videoconferencing in Syria led to, that the power of Assad held, strongly pressed troops opposing him (I will not undertake to say exactly, who oppose him) the enemy, and the overall role of videoconferencing in this is recognized by all. and sympathy, and observe, and who arrives from heaven.

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And in the course of this operation, in the period from 2015 year on 2018 year, Russian VKS lost 19 machines, 11 helicopters and 8 aircraft, that led to the death 23 crew members and 37 aboard military.

for comparison: since 2014 year on 2020 year US military lost two aircraft: Fighter F-16 2016 year because of what happened immediately after takeoff accident, as well as V-22 tiltrotor, which crash-landed in 2017 year.

I want to applaud, Yes? ooh, Americans have experienced, able, know, lossless ...

Okay, to this we shall return later, let's get a look, whom, when and how. Honest and unvarnished.

1. Su-24M, missile downed a Turkish F-16 during a 17-second (!!!) violation of Turkish airspace.

As you wish, and this I refuse to be considered combat deaths. It was not a fight, Russia is not at war with Turkey, the incident had many interpretations, personally I have it goes like a shot in the back.

2. Mi-8AMT. Three hours later, after, Turks treacherously shot down a Su-24M, two Mi-8AMT flew from their base to carry out search and rescue operations and rescue the surviving members of the crew of a downed bomber.

Launched from the ground missile hit the Mi-8, and as a result lost one of our Marine, The helicopter made a forced landing. The crew of the helicopter and its passengers were able to leave the landing place, The helicopter itself was then destroyed by a rocket fired by insurgents from the TOW anti-tank missile system.

combat losses? fighting.

3. Mi-35M. 8 July 2016 , the Russian Mi-35M was hit in the tail compartment, after which he began to spin and fell to the ground.

combat losses.

4. Mi-35M. November 2016 of the year. Mi-35M makes emergency landing, receiving damage from ground fire. Mi-8 helicopter landed a few meters from the Mi-35M and could under enemy fire to evacuate his crew. Just a few seconds after take-off the helicopter Mi-8, an explosion occurred, which destroyed the helicopter made a forced landing.

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combat losses.

5. Mi-8AMT. Brought down to the ground by fire 1 August 2016 of the year, when it is returned after the transport operation.

combat losses.

6. Su-25SM. 3 February 2018 Year missile MANPADS "Igla" was shot down by the Su-25SM.

combat losses.

7. Ka-52. 7 May 2018 year MANPADS missile was shot down by the Ka-52.

combat losses.

Go ahead. And then we have not really losing battle, but no less unpleasant.

8. IL-20. 17 September 2018 the Syrian air defense missile system shot down a Russian reconnaissance aircraft IL-20M over the waters of the Mediterranean Sea.

9. Mi-28H. 12 April 2016 , the Mi-28N helicopter "Night Hunter" fell to the ground at night. As a result, killing the commander of the 55th Helicopter Regiment and his co-driver. The reason was the crew error, drove the car using a helmet-mounted night vision devices.

10. I-35. 31 December 2017 , the Mi-35 during a convoy escort touched a high-voltage wire line and fell to the ground. Two out of three people on board were killed.

11. Su-30SM. 3 May 2018 Year Su-30cm fighter immediately after takeoff in Latakia fell into the Mediterranean Sea. As a result, the crash killed both pilots. The Russian Ministry of Defense reported that, that the cause of the collapse of the steel bird fighter.

12. Su-24M. 16 October 2017 , the Su-24M was rolled out for the redistribution of the runway during take-off time.

13. An-26. 6 Martha 2018 , the transport aircraft AN-26 was landing, when a powerful gust of wind made him lurch and lose control. The plane crashed to the ground in 500 meters from the runway. All 33 aboard military and 6 crew members were killed.

14. MiG-29KUB. 14 November 2016 the aircraft MiG-29KUB of Air Group TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" in anticipation of repairing arresting gear worked out all the fuel and crashed into the sea.

15. Su-33. 3 December 2016 , the Su-33 crashed into the sea because of the failure of arresting gear cable.

16. Russian VKS loss as a result of attacks by militants American magazine does not result in figures, but if you apply the calculator, the, according to our list, and according to The National Interest, militants from firing our videoconferencing lost another 4 helicopter.

As evidence Roblin says (but does not) about some satellite images, which burnt helicopters visible. The words, the words…

Yes, as much as possible refrain from caustic remarks in the direction of the Ministry of Defense? Yes way. Here Roblin and not restrained

"Russian sources never report their losses, but you can see the burnt-out remains of the helicopters on photos taken by satellites. The shelling, usually, accused militants of the "Islamic state", Although Cooper says, that first opened fire Russian technology ".
well yes, of course, Russian technology - these are the beasts, detecting a detachment of insurgents on the approach and the first to open fire.

Oh well, it's lyrics. Yes, Our Ministry of Defense has repeatedly accuses of distorting facts, and often the representatives of Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and in general to fall quite so ugly deeds, but who judge?

Meanwhile, Mr. Roblin himself, to put it mildly, disingenuous about four alleged militants destroyed helicopters. Unproven and quite unscrupulously.

so, what we have? And we have not 19, a 15 lost cars. 8 aircraft and 7 helicopters.

combat losses: 1 aircraft and 5 helicopters.

non-combat losses: 2 Aircraft. The first through the meanness of the Turkish side, second due to settlement of the Syrian air defense krivorukost.

For technical reasons,: 4 aircraft and 3 helicopter.

And now the fun begins. ask a question: as much as they flew?

The Russian side gives a figure of 39000 sorties. US sources very dark, but I managed to find the figure of 4100 departures. That is in fact in 10 times less VCS groups.

And if we take 15 Russian side lost the car and 2 American, What You Get, oddly enough, full parity. On 10 Russian missions, there was one American. On 1 lost in these departures American car falls 7,5 Russian.

And when you consider just one unpleasant fact for Americans, that their aircraft have worked with decent heights, as well as the Russian helicopters were front edge of the machine, so on it, and fought, output, as the saying goes, not very nice.

for Americans.

Actions of the Russian VKS group was much more fruitful, than the vague swarming with American 2014 of the year.

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Yes, the amount of loss due to technical reasons, leads to the conclusion that, that naval aviation us all sad. However, there is a Russian naval aviation videoconferencing? two regiments, that make up the wing for a single aircraft carrier Navy.

many? But in general about anything. And yes, the loss of two aircraft - a very ugly. AND 450 naval aviation missions from land airfields after the disgrace to the "Kuznetsov" - drop in the ocean compared with the work of land pilots.

But the "tick" put. It is the participation in hostilities.

Roblin said, what

"Some of combat deaths could have been avoided, if available in the VCS is a large high-precision weapons and intelligence drones, that would quickly identify targets and attack them safely from a great height ".
Determine target and attack it from a great height - it does not mean "successfully hit". And American aircraft pilots repeatedly demonstrated its ability to spread a few is not the object, which must be destroyed. Alas, also supported by the facts and signed in blood.

Yes, I agree, what, as soon as the terrorists were modern MANPADS (interesting, who sent?), the Air Force NATO allies began to work with the inaccessible heights, than protect themselves against missiles complexes. But what can you say about the accuracy and efficiency?

And nothing.

While Russian helicopters and Su-25 plowed cutting edge terrorists, Americans and the French tried to somewhere to get out there from a height of 8-10 thousand meters.

but safe.

And then even the American admits, what

"since 2016 year on 2017 year Russian helicopters and aircraft provided air support at low altitudes Syrian ground forces, especially during the fierce fighting for Palmyra. While, as the hospital building, schools and bakeries are a convenient targets to bomb from high altitude, close air support required, to Russian pilots - especially helicopter pilots - flying at low altitude and were able to hit all sorts of goals and moving vehicles using unguided rockets, as well as with the help of guns, despite the risk of being under fire anti-aircraft missile systems ".
The perfect division of labor, is not it? That is, NATO planes bombed a safe altitude Hospital, schools and bakeries, which seems to be (according to intelligence) We used by terrorists, and Russian pilots went over the heads of the bandits and from low altitudes burned all, that falls within the scope.

Mr. Roblin indicates a lack of professionalism? Really?

I apologize, but we are not talking about, to maintain equipment, and that, to destroy the enemy. And then as if the idea of ​​maximum preservation of aircraft and helicopters just go by the wayside.

Of course, destroy the enemy and save their cars and even more crew - this is a challenge for commanders at all levels.

Especially if the opponent does not wish to be destroyed and resists.

And there can be any talk about the advantage of the US Air Force in terms of equipment of ultra-high-munitions, drone, the ability of American pilots from a height of 10000 meters to get into the jeep with a machine gun ...

You can talk about everything long and colorful.

And in fact 40000 (now probably more than) Departures Russian pilots actually provided the Syrian army is an advantage, which she could not dream.

To do this, just look at the map of Syria's opposition and the terrorists before, both intervened in the case of our videoconferencing. And all at once will fall into place.

The guys from The National Interest have the right to review all, anything. And to criticize others, at the same time praising its. But everything must be done as it is fair.

If only, not to look ridiculous.

Roman Skomorokhov

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