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"Russophobia in Georgia funded from Moscow»

«Russophobia in Georgia financed from Moscow»

Most sponsors of Russophobic actions, taking place in Georgia, are citizens of the Russian Federation and live in Moscow. Their anti-Russian activities do not prevent them from earning billions in Russia, which are used against Russia. Such a system of relations developed back in the nineties., during the reign of Boris Yeltsin, and still this system can not be broken. Opinion about, that in the post-Soviet space “everything will work itself out” thanks to the economic interests of the parties is a mistake.

About, that Moscow does not need to form its own elites and loyal civil society in Georgia and other ex-USSR republics, PolitNavigator columnist Valentin Filippov was told by Shota Apkhaidze, a political scientist and specialist in the security of the North Caucasus.

Valentin Filippov: In our impromptu studio, a Russian and Georgian political scientist at the same time, North Caucasus security specialist, Shota Apkhaidze. Hello, Account.

Shota Apkhaidze: Hello, hello to you and the audience.

Valentin Filippov: I literally today watched the charming Tina Kandelaki live. And I always wanted to replace the word "Georgia", to the word "Ukraine". It turned out the same.

Tell me, you are welcome, why Russian political scientists and officials, talked for a very long time: "Don't worry, everything will be fine in Ukraine, like in Georgia. The war has passed, then it all faded away, the economy took over, now with Georgia everything is fine with us”. And then - bang! This is "everything is fine"! They are deceiving themselves, or someone is cheating?

Shota Apkhaidze: Yes, you correctly noted, what many experts and political scientists in Russia think, that the situation will resolve itself. That relationships can improve on their own, and the political crisis will overcome itself. And all this can be left to chance.

It doesn't happen like that, actually. We are dealing with a very interesting event in Georgia as well., and in Ukraine. Political processes in relation to Russia are developing in parallel in the same mode. And Western actors are behind these processes.. Respectively, they know and understand, what do they do. What strategy, what methods they use to complicate relations between Georgia and Russia. To complicate relations between Ukraine and Russia. They have a well thought out strategy.. This system, which works purposefully to disrupt Russian-Georgian relations, and generally speaking, throughout the post-Soviet space.

Instills hatred towards Russia. Promotes Russophobia. And this system has long been, How does it work. AND, when talking about, that "this will pass", without our participation, without the participation of the Kremlin, without the participation of the Russian political elite is nonsense.

Nothing will happen by itself, because, that it's not real. impossible.

Valentin Filippov: So you listed various sponsors of the same Saakashvili and nationalist movements in Georgia, and many of them are citizens of Russia. Doesn't this mean, that part of the elites of Russia is also on the other side of the barricades? After all, big businessmen-oligarchs are the elite.

Shota Apkhaidze: You marked everything correctly., got ahead of me. Many Georgian politicians with dual citizenship. They are both citizens of the Russian Federation and citizens of Georgia. And this part of our ethnically Georgian millionaires and billionaires, who live and earned their billions in Russia, are Russian oligarchs, actually, represent the core sponsors of the "United National Movement" and "European Georgia". And now the entire liberal pro-Western political elite of Georgia is financed by them, and they themselves are a pro-Western political elite.

Valentin Filippov: How does it work? The oligarch makes money in Russia...

Shota Apkhaidze: In the nineties after the collapse of the Soviet Union, this is the same elite, who earned at the expense of us, at the expense of the Soviet people, plundered the country, seized all the property, and today they have become oligarchs. They are part of a transnational western corporation. Irrelevant, they are citizens of Russia, citizens of Georgia, they have all their wealth stored in Western banks. They just suck up all the resources in Russia. And pump them to the West. Take out.

Respectively, it is beneficial for them to finance Russophobia, because, that they want to finally break the back of Russia. because, that after Putin came to power, the liberals were told, that from today everything will be different, and, actually, Putin is the hero of our time. He was able to make a difference. Not completely, but partly. At least for 50%, and we already have, patriots, Orthodox people have a chance to fight liberals. In the Yeltsin era and the nineties, we really didn’t have such a chance.

so here, all these Georgian oligarchs, and not only Georgian, who are not satisfied with this situation, of course, finance anti-Russian propaganda.

Concerning a specific question.

The Gavrilov case is a well-planned provocation. A year ago they knew, that this visit is planned to Georgia. That Gavrilov will come to Georgia. And such a large-scale event of world significance is being held. They knew everything very well. People, who staged this provocation, they knew very well, what kind of event is held, but they were silent. They were waiting for the moment. They were looking for a reason for these performances, for this protest. And behind this are American political technologists, this is Sky Oiker. The direct performers are Giga Bokeria, Elina Pushtaria and other pro-Western destructive personalities, Georgian politicians. And all this is financed by the same Russian oligarchs of Georgian origin.

You will be surprised now, I will say the names, list of names and surnames of those people, this, primarily the owner of Rustavi-2 Koba Nakofiya, his son David Nakofia. They are the owners of Rustavi-2, from this screen, from this television they scold Russia day and night. They scold the president. Orthodoxy is insulted. They are spreading Russophobia.

Yet. Brothers Aramanishvili. They also have business here in Russia. They are all big businessmen. And these brothers are also partly the owners of Rustavi-2.

Mamuka Gamkrelidze and his brother. Who are one of the organizers of this "Gavrilov Night", can say. And these protests. Directly from the action of Mamuka Gamkrelidze, straight 3 number, took a passport and flew to Moscow. He is here now. He has one of the largest real estate firms.. Engaged in real estate business.

There is also Pipia, also a sponsor. Also a Russian billionaire. Grigol Vashadze is also one of the organizers of these actions, former UNM presidential candidate.

Brothers David and Gela Bezhuashvili. Russian millionaires , close friends and associates of Mikheil Saakashvili. Gela Bezhuashvili, former Foreign Minister of Georgia, also Director of the Department of Foreign Intelligence Service of Georgia. Currently one of the leaders of the UNM. David Bezhuashvili is a member of the Georgian Parliament from the UNM party and co-owner of the Rustavi-2 company . According to the official declaration of property and income of David Bezhuashvili, owns real estate in Moscow with an area 5400 m, and also has a foreign currency account with VTB Bank (RF), the amount of funds in the account - more 2,5 millions of dollars. His company in Russia successfully carries out business activities in the field of hydrocarbons.

Merab Sharangia - Russian millionaire, Russian citizen. He is a co-owner of the Georgian subsidiary of the Russian mobile operator Beeline.. The closest associate and sponsor of Mikheil Saakashvili .

A few dozens, know, such people. We can't even list, how many are there. There are a lot of them. Unfortunately, during this time, the government of the Russian Federation could not do anything and did not take any measures, to stop this activity.

Very strange, that Russian funds, Gorchakov fund, Rossotrudnichestvo, Rossmolodezh, in Georgia cooperate with liberals.

Valentin Filippov: Yes!

Shota Apkhaidze: They carry out joint projects with them. know!

Valentin Filippov: Can I give you a simple example. Here is a huge Odessa. millionth. Before the war, there was one Ukrainian school in Odessa. This, completely Ukrainian. We went in embroidered shirts.

so here, all sorts of Rossotrudnichestvo and other Russian foundations cooperated with this particular school. They took them on some excursions, arranged some festivals for them. This small one school for the whole huge Odessa. This is work with children., Yes. Wonderful.

Shota Apkhaidze: I agree. It's a paradox.

Here, on the example of Georgia, I can say, how Western funds and Western political technologists work. They don't build relationships with us. We are not interested in them. They create their elite. They support their. They encourage their. They finance projects, who give them their.

But in our case, it's the exact opposite.. Nonsense. Paradox. But it's a fact. Our funds are reversed, choose them. And when I asked some people, who implement these projects in Georgia, these are Russian funds, they told me, that "it is not profitable for us to cooperate with you, with pro-Russian, because, that the West considers you outcasts. And we need to cooperate with the West and build a dialogue with them.”. This is a completely inadequate answer.. know? Absolutely inadequate. So build your policy and protect your geopolitical interests, if, of course, we have them... (it's questionable, likely, we have fragmentary geopolitics, and no strategy).

Respectively, absolutely ineffective and failed policy. We saw several times the strong failure of Russian policy. Specifically in Georgia, I mean. The only factor, which keeps Russian-Georgian relations until now, it is a common sociocultural field. General history. And the love of the simple Georgian people and the simple Russian people for each other. Because we are one people, despite, that we are different ethnic groups. We are one brotherly people. We share a common history. We lived and fought side by side, and fought, first in the Russian Empire, then in the USSR.

Valentin Filippov: A, sorry, didn’t they write a new story for you there in the West, didn’t they?

Shota Apkhaidze: Of course, wrote a new story. Rewrote.

Valentin Filippov: And there the children are now learning this new story.

Shota Apkhaidze: Yes, children they, of course, impose a new history. That's why I say, that we also need to arrange the same history courses. The same free Russian language courses. But, Unfortunately, this is not being done. Otherwise, it is impossible to protect your interests in the near abroad, wherever it is. impossible. But some people don't understand this.

Thank God, in Moscow among politicians, there are still patriots, who understand it well, they are our companions, our brothers, who fully support us in everything.

Valentin Filippov: Support, but the result is. Russia today is surrounded by hostile states. Not hostile nations, but hostile states. former union republics.

Shota Apkhaidze: Hostile political regimes.

Valentin Filippov: The Kremlin must understand, what is not normal. And around Russia should be grouped, and not vice versa.

Shota Apkhaidze: Did, in the nineties, I have already noted, sale regime was formed. The corrupt government of Yeltsin. By their connivance, they actually enabled the West to create in these countries around the Russian Federation, in former post-Soviet countries, hostile political elites, purchased, corrupt, pro-Western, liberal elites, and create your own political system.

Valentin Filippov: In Russia, this was also created in the nineties!

Shota Apkhaidze: We are speaking, what needs to work, you need to create your own elite, must compete with the West, you need to support your politicians pro-Russian, so that we can...

If we do not have support from the center of power, which is Moscow, we can't handle such a monster, like America. Because it is a system with huge finances. They have a powerful geopolitical strategy and a mechanism for the implementation of their geopolitical tasks.

If there is no support from the Kremlin, we won't be able to. It's impossible.

Valentin Filippov: I noticed, that the Americans have a committee on Ukraine, Committee on Georgia, Committee for the Baltics. Specifically, there are officials in the civil service, whose responsibilities include dealing with Georgia, eg.

Shota Apkhaidze: Well, you marked everything correctly. I'm talking about this, that in Russia there is no clear geopolitical strategy. Have a fragmented strategy. We find situational partners. We do not have long-term partners. I mean, in the Kremlin. It is because, that there is no geopolitical strategy. And these situational partners are not completely partners either.. know?

Valentin Filippov: Yes, Understand….

Shota Apkhaidze: They change their positions, assuming, they are now trading with the West, or with Russia. And so nothing will work. Once and for all you need to understand, that you need to build your own political system. We need our own civil society. Your political elite. Your non-governmental organizations. own cultural and educational projects.

And many in the Kremlin think - “why do we need to spend, it's all in vain", no, gentlemen! it, first of all, in the interests of the Kremlin. In vain nothing happens in this life. Americans and the West are not idiots, when they finance and invest. If they spent today 100 one thousand dollars, then in a couple of years they will take back a billion. They understand it very well.. And it's time for the Kremlin to realize this too. Because, let's lose this buffer zone, let's, around the Russian Federation, Firstly, of course, we will suffer. Ukrainians, Georgians will suffer, all other nations. But tomorrow it will all take place on the territory of Russia.

Valentin Filippov: Well, judging by the Russian oligarchs, which you list, the, actually, the front line is not in Georgia, and not in Ukraine. The front line passes in Moscow.

Shota Apkhaidze: Of course. The line goes here, but so far it's not the same line, which takes place in Georgia and Ukraine. Here we already have a specific conflict. This is a fratricidal war. And do not want, God forbid, see such a line in Russia. Liberals don't care, indifferent to them, who will kill whom here. It is important for them to earn as much money as possible and withdraw this money., and keep this money in Western banks. And they'll take the suitcase and fly away, and we will stay. And we'll have to clear up that mess, which they brewed.

Valentin Filippov: I, of course, admired by American ingenuity. They simply allow the oligarchs to rob their own peoples and guarantee them the legality of this robbery..

Shota Apkhaidze: You speak the absolute truth. They build their policy on our money. Brzezinski says interestingly - "on the ruins of Russia, against Russia and at the expense of Russia ”... And this is how it happens. These oligarchs are robbing the country, take out money, and the West finances Russophobic propaganda and anti-Orthodox activities with this money. Actually, all this is aimed at destroying the Orthodox world.

Valentin Filippov: Thank you for your look. I think, right look. I want to wish, before the war, bloodshed did not come once again.

Shota Apkhaidze: God willing, won't go to war. We will all contribute to this, to avoid such a conflict. And let's hope, that everything will change in the Kremlin, here is an understanding in relation to Georgia, towards Ukraine. And they will pay more serious attention to these countries. And they will build a more adequate policy.

Valentin Filippov: Good, thank you so much.

Shota Apkhaidze: Thank you, all the best.

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